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| Vertical | Jun 1 2014, 10:20 AM Post #106 |
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Your calculations make no sense what-so-ever. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 1 2014, 10:22 AM Post #107 |
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Then the whole Kiri system is a CRAP what-so ever What is your opinion then There are two options according to YOU 1. You dont believe in numbers thus math 2. Or you believe in math but thinks the kiri system is not linear. |
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| Vertical | Jun 1 2014, 11:15 AM Post #108 |
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There's actually another option: Your math and conclusions make no sense. Why? What makes this so? Nothing. Base Goku showed a slight advantage over Yakon... though it is so slight you could get away with calling them roughly equal. So, Base Goku is at least 800 Kiri. SSJ Goku is shown to be 3000 Kiri. If you wish to believe Goku is not suppressed (highly unlikely due to statements made during Dabura vs Gohan), and that Kiri relates linearly... then Goku's SSJ multiplier (if you believe in such a thing) is 3.75x. In your opinion, this is not a realistic option (http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8999809&t=8482254): By that logic, SSJ Goku would be 8000 Kiri at least. And applying your gaps/beliefs, this would put Yakon (and [Buu Arc] Base Goku) at ~8.33x weaker than [Cell Games] SSJ Gohan. But really, you do not know what Goku's maximum is at this point... so you cannot use any of this to work out anything. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 1 2014, 11:34 AM Post #109 |
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Actually it simply means he didn't think Vegeta could do it by himself, it doesn't have any indication of his own strength. I don't really know who would be the stronger of the two right now. There's too much vague evidence on both sides. Edited by Clearin, Jun 1 2014, 11:35 AM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 1 2014, 11:44 AM Post #110 |
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I did come up with my own arguments. Kaioshin didn't even wanted to fight Yakon on his own. In fact, he wanted to gang up on him. Goku at Base fought equally or better than Yakon, and when he did, Kaioshin still wanted to team up. This already shows that Kaioshin couldn't do it on his own. |
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| + Emmeth | Jun 1 2014, 11:50 AM Post #111 |
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Same old story, bro. I already told you that Kaioshin was cautious when he entered Babidi's Ship, because he didn't want to give energy too Boo's Ball. Besides, why have you stopped focusing on Pocus suddenly? We weren't discussing whether Yakon was stronger than Kaioshin or not. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 1 2014, 11:59 AM Post #112 |
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Yakon 800 Pocus less than 200 right? unless you say it is not linear And I said less than *10 is nonsese in THE CELL GAMES AND STUFF. *10 fits well during the Buu saga Edited by Pointer, Jun 1 2014, 12:02 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 1 2014, 12:02 PM Post #113 |
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You're only bringing up conjectures. Its hard to debate against someone who brings up new story just to ignore it. This shet needs to be done. smh. |
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| + Emmeth | Jun 1 2014, 12:07 PM Post #114 |
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Come up with some new arguments to counter mine and we'll talk then. |
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| Vertical | Jun 1 2014, 12:11 PM Post #115 |
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Why is Pocus less than 200? Where does that number come from? And if he must be less than 200... why does he have to be anywhere near it at all? Yea, I know... but if you re-read what I said... it's the "less than" that's important. If you want to apply Kiri linearly, and you want to believe that 3000 = SSJ Goku's maximum, then his SSJ multiplier would be 3.75x (or less), which you've said would be ridiculous. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 1 2014, 06:33 PM Post #116 |
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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He admits that base Goku is superior to himself. That's all the evidence we need. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 1 2014, 06:36 PM Post #117 |
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So if you think that Base Goku > Kaioshin, what does Frieza > BS make sense? |
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| + Pointer | Jun 1 2014, 06:41 PM Post #118 |
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Not 200 ...300 It might be a dub line though However that 3000 what if that this is the maximum of the kiri meter I mean like the scouter has a maximum ....This kiriometer shall also |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 1 2014, 08:09 PM Post #119 |
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Because logically, we'd think that he was talking about Freeza's final form, but there's no evidence that he even knew about it at all considering that Freeza never really used it. Most people didn't know about it at all. Kaiosama did, but that's only because it's his job to know this stuff. Even if we (for a second) did consider Beerus's quote as canon or accurate, coupled with Kaioshin's "out-of-the loop" lack of knowledge, Base Saiyans can all we weaker than 100% Freeza, and still be stronger than Kaioshin. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 1 2014, 08:14 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 1 2014, 08:23 PM Post #120 |
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Kaioshin stated that he can blow Frieza in one-shot. If he refers 1st form, then he isn't able to one-shot Frieza at all. This contradicts AT's writing work. |
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